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Today Fr. Ioannes Petrus re-joins us for a wide-ranging interview which is perhaps the first one I did not script with pre-planned questions. We discuss voting, the trajectory of government in the West, the current Holy Father, the threat of Islam, Immigration and how Christians should respond to the crisis of our times.
Episode Notes:
USCCB guide on Voting
“36. When all candidates hold a position that promotes an intrinsically evil act, the conscientious voter faces a dilemma. The voter may decide to take the extraordinary step of not voting for any candidate or, after careful deliberation, may decide to vote for the candidate deemed less likely to advance such a morally flawed position and more likely to pursue other authentic human goods.” (My Emphasis)
Non é Francesco
Teilhard de Chardin and the Cosmic Christ
Chagal and White Crucifix:
Athanasius Contra Mundum 
As a Canadian, I won’t be voting for any candidate this election.
There is a Canadian running, however.
Is this recent?. The Synod on the Family already happened, and the letter by the eight cardinals affirmed that the pope was at least orthodox on divorce and remarriage. Just watch the Mic’d up coverage.
When he speaks on the Synod and the Cardinals’ letter, he is putting it in the present tense to explain his theory about the Pope’s MO. That is all.
Excellent interview as far as I could tell from the first 30 minutes. Maybe you touch on that later in the video, but if not, I’d like to add that it also seems like Pope Francis is really deep into rabbinical Judaism. His whole relationship with Rabbi Skorka and rabbis in general is probably the reason why some people think he’s a crypto-Jew.
Excellent interview, just listened to the whole thing. I would like to add some information that you might not have stateside since this is too far away and most Americans are probably focused on the presidential elections. As you probably know, Europe, especially Germany, is being flooded with Muslim “refugees”. What you probably won’t hear is that most of them are males between 20 and 30, and they come from all kinds of countries, not only Syria: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Iran, Guinea-Bissau, Senegal, Somalia, Eritrea etc.
Father is right, this is a punishment. We are seeing a growing number of sex crimes being committed, also cases of pedophilia. They also kill each other. Property crime is up. And there is a huge public gag order. Most Germans are probably against this mass replacement migration (because that’s what it boils down to), but many people are scared to be labelled “Hetzer”, that is “baiters” or “haters” by the media and politicians. After a rather minor incident in which a couple of guys blocked a bus filled with refugees “fresh of the boat” in Saxony, the president of the Land of Saxony said that the perpetrators were not human beings, but criminals.
Almost every little village down here in Bavaria (and probably elsewhere in this country, too) has to house a certain number of these immigrants, and as I mentioned, they are all male. You hardly ever ever see a female migrant of this recent wave outside the larger cities. It is really distressing.
But the most distressing thing is, and you have mentioned this before, Ryan: Muslims need conversion, not bombs, but who will convert them when most priests don’t even know what they’re there for or would scoff at the idea of being a “missionary”? This is the big tragedy…there are now even more people in Germany that most likely will go to Hell. Maybe Fr. Ioannes Petrus could pray for these people in his Masses, especially for the Afghans. Afghanistan has never seen real missionary work as far as I can see, yet Our Lord said “Go ye and teach ALL nations”, so it’s really high time.
Regarding the terrorists coming across the borders: I asked one Afghan I know if there were any Taliban fighters coming in with the refugees and he told me that it was really hard to tell, he could only vouch for the guys around him. And there have been cases where they showed guys posing with guns on Facebook while fighting in Syria…and then they are spotted in a refugee camp in the European Union. Just today, I heard on the radio that the European Union wanted to introduce a universal refugee policy in the future, so that would mean an end to the little national sovereignity that member states still have.
St. Boniface, pray for us!
Don’t vote in national elections (1)
St Augustine : “there is no justice save in that commonwealth whose founder and ruler is Christ” and “kingdoms without justice are but criminal gangs”.
Thus, any country (like our American Empire) that legislates contrary to the commandments of Jesus Christ, King of Heaven and Earth, is aught but a criminal gang.
America, the Evil Empire, is the biggest baddest ass alpha dog gang ever, compared to which the Crips and the Bloods are aught but crippled blood hound puppies.
So what sentient Catholic Traditionalist wants to vote for the Political Crips, the Stupid Party (Republicans) or vote for the Political Bloods, the Evil Party (Democrats) and continue to validate the baddest ass gang ever?
Gangs are violent, lawless, vicious, and always striving to conquer the territory of other gangs.
And Amateur Brain Surgeon is not going to vote for a gang.
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Don’t vote in national elections (2)
Reasons to Quit Voting
There are four sins crying to Heaven for vengeance and all four sins are the public policy of this Evil Empire, America, and all four sins are the favored objects of positive law in this Evil Empire, America.
Willful Murder (Abortion, Unjust Wars, Drones, Assassinations)
The Sin of Sodom (So-called Gay marriage, the acceptance of sodomy as permissible and praise worthy)
Oppression of the Poor (Usury, which is state-sponsored theft of labor).
Defrauding Laborers of their Wages (Mass immigration which undermines the wage scale, closing manufacturing in America and relocating it overseas to be done by slaves)
So, go ahead; vote.
Tell your own self you are discharging you civic duty because you are. As a subject of an Evil Empire, it is your duty to vote to legitimise these institutionalised evils which call to Heaven for God to destroy this Evil Empire.
As for ABS, he ain’t voting. He’ll stay home and not participate in these evil elections. He’ll stay home, drink some quality cabernet and listen to Mozart, Vivaldi, or Beethoven
Regarding the judgmental traditionalists part, is it not true that calling trads judgmental has become more of a popular thing to do? To the point where people are saying “well everybody knows traditionalists have a problem with being judgmental.” It’s usually in response to someone simply affirming one or more traditional doctrines that seem to be downplayed, denied, or ignored. Most of the traditional communities I’ve been a part of have been small and generally welcoming, except for maybe elements that might be universally present in any parish.
It’s really been more Novus Ordo parishes that I’ve witnessed this kind of attitude. It’s one of the reasons why I left and what drove me towards traditional Catholicism. I think if you actually probed any traditionalist Catholic he would admit that intellectually yes it was grace that led them to where they are and it’s grace that people need to really experience a conversion. I think if you probed the typical Novus Ordo Catholic would probably not get to a very cohesive position depending on if they are a liberal or a neo-con, or maybe just a cultural Catholic. You would get a mix up of staunchly held opinions ranging across the spectrum. (and I’ve even experienced this in Byzantine parishes to a certain extent maybe in a different way.)
Another thing that we have to ask though is what really are traditional communities? Who are the people who make them up? I think by and large they are now really made up of ex-novus ordo Catholics, who have been driven away for one reason or another (from their previous parishes). Could it be that traditional priests are in a way being faced with the responsibility of cleaning up what really is a Novus Ordo problem?
Fr. Ripperger mentioned in his talk on “How to raise a Man” that in the trad community there is a big problem with a certain solitary sin. But could it me that people who struggle with those kinds of sins struggle with it because in the Novus Ordo mainstream Church priests never preach on sexual sins or take them very seriously. Thus people fall into recidivism and the vice grows, they know it’s a problem so they go to the only place where they know their sin will be treated with the seriousness it should be. Like a sick patient who senses if he is getting better or not goes to the doctor who gives him the right medicine.
I believe, unless I am mistaken, that I prefaced my question to Father as the majority of Trads are really not much different than anyone else except that they believe in orthodox religion, a minority are your typical angry trads that one scarcely sees except on the internet and on facebook, and another minority make themselves gurus. If you spend enough time on the internet, you will see that they are there, although they are a seriously over-represented minority in the popular imagination. I think you are right that in the NO parishes we see a lot more judgmentalism and mean-spiritedness, but I think that is the result of not having shepherds, the same problem that some Trads suffer from. I have known people who went to the SSPX who were a million times more charitable than people at the NO, and vice versa, I have known some people at the SSPX or an FSSP parish who were horrible, and people at an NO parish that are saintly. I think on those matters, it is a matter of the crisis of Bishops.
In regard to the solitary sin, I would not agree that it is merely the NO’s lack of preaching that causes it. Much of it is seen in people who have rarely or never seen the NO, or people who have been Trad for a number of years. Maybe they don’t preach it in the NO, they sure do in Traditional parishes! In may ways, we see the crisis of bishops again. Spiritual Fatherhood of the priesthood combined with the real fatherhood of Fathers allows for a greater transmission of grace, when the hierarchies break down, then the grace reduces. The problem is that many men are not really men and as a result they don’t raise men. This is one I wouldn’t blame on the NO, but on the culture which the NO does little to oppose.
Well, I’ve heard priests tell me third hand that people have went to different NO parishes where I live and out of 3 or 4 priests sexual sins were not considered serious. At least one didn’t consider it sinful. “It’s not that serious” because “everybody does that.” Priests like this are part of that culture which needs to be opposed.
Precisely. I would never deny it happens, someone I knew in college told me that he was told to go ahead and sin and then apologize after. “Forgive me father for I will sin.” (!) While it is no doubt a problem, I would never say that is the whole problem in the traditional movement.
I also would say that I don’t know anyone who has been a trad their whole life, or anyone who hasn’t been exposed to the Novus Ordo growing up. Maybe if you were raised in the SSPX going to their schools. Everyone I knew in Catholic high school has left the faith or isn’t practicing. I would think most newer FSSP parishes and diocesan TLM communities arrived to late on the scene to provide the TLM to a complete generation.
I still think traditional priests are being faced with cleaning up a Novus Ordo problem in the sense that it’s a Church wide problem because the Novus Ordo is the mainstream church and it’s not feeding the people what they need, giving them stones instead of bread.
This was an excellent interview. This priest seems to be very knowledgeable, but very humble and completely non-judgmental. His candor was thoroughly refreshing. Thank you for providing this.